In honor of Valentine's Day, I think it's appropriate to do a little post about love and marriage.
Now, I know not every feminist woman reading this is going to agree with me on this one...and that's okay. Because we all have a million points of view on the topic to begin with, PLUS we all have to live in the meantime. In fact, I'd be surprised if any single of us wanted to adopt wholesale anybody else's views on the way to handle love and marriage, particularly as a woman, and as a femininist. We need to allow for some flexibility - we need the cafeteria plan (which is one of the reasons we get into these situations in the first place if you ask me, but a digression about healthcare would take all day).
But as usual, decapitate any one of my standards, and you'll see it double, hydra-like. How unfair! So this post is of course about MEN and the movement, what else?
Men like marriage. "Feminist" men, too.
Not all men (lone ranger stereotype).
Not in every life stage (young playboy sowing wild oats stereotype).
Not of every political bent (hippie stereotype).
Not of every sexual bent (polyamorous stereotype).
And they're not fond of all aspects of marriage (the ridiculous stereotype that men fear women tying them up legally, as though marriage is a contract delivering ownership OF men TO women).
But the biggest lie in the world is that a woman has to trick and trap a man into marriage. Because marriage, on the whole, benefits men. And men, on the whole, are not yet too stupid to notice. That much is very simple, really.
Yes, feminists discussed this back in the (18)70s...so what's my point, you ask?
There are three, really.
1. Because marriage has indeed become quite a bit kinder and gentler than it was in the days before women had any citizenship or property rights of their own at all, The Institution is held harmless when it ought not be, and certainly the fact that men as a class still strongly believe in, support, legislate for, and demand marriage is widely considered to be far more benign than I think it should be. It's as if the entire question has become postfeminist to the point that even "feminist men" are allowed and expected to make assumptions about marriage that feminists would have been outraged at a few decades ago. I am not convinced this is a sign of progress.
Making oppressive institutions more tolerable is a worthy goal, and it is understandable that individuals choose newly-tolerable oppressive institutions over less-tolerable lives outside of those institutions. But this does not mean one ought respond well to someone who's pressing for a variance so they can build a sweatshop in one's back yard, even if "these days" they only employ workers over 15 and make everyone wear OSHA-approved safety goggles. So if you ask me, men who support and uphold marriage conventions in word or deed could certainly stand an askance glance or two at their feminist credentials!
2. You may have noticed that my previous examples have referenced the heterosexual model of marriage. That's because that's the way it is: heterosexuality is the marriage model. And my universal statements haven't been clarified as applying only to "heterosexual marriage." And that's because they apply to marriage in general.
Banning the legal marriage of same-sex couples must be ended immediately, because discrimination is an active emotional harm, and because people are being denied the paltry protections our sexist and classist system offers through legal marriage. This is a big issue, critical to the daily lives of many, many people.
However, the oxymoronic term "marriage equality" and its companion term, the redundant "marriage discrimination," bring to my mind the kind of social advancement Donald Trump started in Palm Beach in the 80s. He made a lot of noise about how his country club (unlike the Everglades Club and the B&T) would have "open membership" (meaning it would accept Black and Jewish members who had the cash to pay the hefty fees). The rapidly-increasing power held by the Jewish and African-American communities in the Palm Beaches HAS been very important in both the micro and macro level of people's lives. And not being shut out of bastions of power was an important part of achieving that political clout. But none of this has done a thing to make the place less money-driven and classist (the opposite, actually, as money and/or class becomes more and more relevant than race/ethnicity down there), nor can the membership of any Palm Beach country club possibly be referred to as "open" or "nondiscriminatory," by both definition and design.
My point is not to defend the old guard of het marriage against tacky Trump-like intrusive homosexuals, but to caution that it DOES matter who challenges the old guard and how they choose to do so – that, as always, the end result does not justify the means but is defined by the means.
And so we see same-sex marriage defenses-—a huge proportion of which are presumed to be profeminist, written by men who are also presumed to be profeminist--that look like the Defense of Marriage Act in every substantial way other than that the sex of the parties being privileged and protected in the famed thousand-plus ways is inclusive. "Marriage equality," my sweet patoot.
3. And while we have countless men concerning themselves with civil union vs. marriage terminology, which states have bans and definitions and restrictions and which of the mostly-male legislature “supports” and “upholds” marriage (as either right or left-wing men want to uphold and maintain it, depending on which side we’re talking about), while this huge hubbub is going on over this one very narrow tactic in the war for recognition of non-traditional[sic] families...
Which men is it, again, who concern themselves with focusing on women as a class achieving full civil and human rights? With all men and women being accorded equal rights to life, liberty and so forth regardless of their sex...OR their sexuality...OR their willingness to cooperate with government proclamations on what composes a socially-desirable family...OR the system in general (isn't that what really composes a right, after all, that it's "even" extended to those who challenge society)?
Where is all the profeminist male outrage over the fact that marriage is a class issue, that marriage is so thoroughly recognized (though this is seldom admitted) to be a property-protection contract that hordes of people enter into it or avoid it based on money, based on assets, based on basic human need? When liberals get upset about UF requiring domestic partners to have sex in order to get benefits, why aren’t they upset that some people find it very difficult to make ends meet without being IN a relationship, and people in relationships find it very difficult to make ends meet without signing on the appropriate dotted lines, to register that relationship?
And in the meantime, this issue is one of those that really tears us women apart. We do it to ourselves, and the marriage-pushing men on both sides certainly hamstring us with it, too. Our culture does everything it can to structure the lives of "single" and "partnered" and "married" women - lesbian, bi, and straight- to have so very little in common that we defend and protect our own pigeonholes out of a sure (and not unreasonable) belief that falling in love with freedom results in freefall, and that women as a class cannot be freed as a class, but as categories, in stages.
Well, that's just not good enough.
February 15 2006, 16:00:35 UTC 6 years ago
Marriage discussions always make me think of the ubiquitous 'name changing' discussions and how those are just bursting with men ready to say "It doesn't matter to me whether my wife changes her name." As if that stance means anything.
Anyway, I often feel the same way when straight men talk about 'marriage equality.' It is empty. Marriage benefits men. It always has. Women still do most of the housework/childrearing. Women are still expected to be the physical and emotional caretakers of men. And now 'progressive' straight men can piggyback on the gay marriage movement to uphold an institution that, historically, has been an oppressive one for women.
Not to mention the phallacy in thinking that b/c lesbians and gays want marriage rights that we also want those rights wrapped up in a 'traditional marriage.'
Of course, unfortunately, most mainstream glbt groups try to play up the 'traditional' part and there are plenty of glbt people who want some sort of dominance-paradigmed (I don't think I can use the word that way, but I don't care) traditional marriage. So *sigh*
And I agree that I wish this could be something women could talk about without tearing each other apart. It's definitely an issue where people seem to dig their trenches and just lob insults at the other side.
February 15 2006, 16:44:44 UTC 6 years ago
And now 'progressive' straight men can piggyback on the gay marriage movement to uphold an institution that, historically, has been an oppressive one for women.
Yes, that's it exactly. And when [general] you're fighting against surreal but resoundingly influential "marriage definition" votes and such, you need every possible citizen on your side. And from that vantage point, it certainly doesn't seem like nearly enough men are trying to piggyback on your movement, or people in general regardless of motive.
But just like with abortion, if one uses the pullback lens in order to survey the terrain of the women's liberation movement rather than the status of one platform issue as framed by male politicians (whereby "women's human right to bodily integrity" becomes "abortion and/or privacy"), it becomes apparent that a huge number of people (a large proportion of which are men) on that bandwagon are "defacto advocates," the most benign of whom are people who need to adopt Position X in order to be seen as Person Y of Group Z, and some of the most dangerous of whom exploit framed platform planks in order to maintain control over us, rather than having a single glimmer of legitimate interest in justice for women/lesbians.
February 15 2006, 17:19:48 UTC 6 years ago
Exactly. To use an example from my RL; Most older gay men that I know (40+) see homophobia as a part of misogyny. They understand that the two are intertwined and so it does them no good to uphold male dominance in *any* arena b/c that only feeds into their own oppression. But most young gay men don't make that connection and they don't necessarily want to because it would mean giving up some amount of privilege.
By fragmenting issues, you convince oppressed classes that their situation is unique and wholly unconnected to any other class's oppression. And the class with the most power gets to have it both ways: they can use their 'support' of certain progressive issues to garner favor and stay in power without ever having to give up their own power b/c no one has challenged the root of that power.
Which is the long-winded way of saying I agree.
February 15 2006, 16:39:01 UTC 6 years ago
But I see it a lot when it comes to *any* radical feminist critique really so nothing new.
February 15 2006, 18:20:19 UTC 6 years ago
No, maybe that tendency isn't new, but it's important to call out. SO true.
And (because my Trump example might not be the clearest if you aren't as obsessed with South Florida culture as I am) kind of where I was going with referencing the lack of attention that was given to class when it came to (for instance) Jews being allowed into "restricted" cities/communities/clubs. I mean, the reservation wasn't restricted, nor were the black ghettos, nor Hispanic/Haitian migrant camps. But nobody needed to worry about ALL of the inequalities engendered by "restricted" communities/facilities, it was about access to institutions. Which has now been granted, and equalized very little.
February 15 2006, 18:23:46 UTC 6 years ago
By this I mean - the changes I describe have improved the status of some groups in specific ways without promoting any ethos of equality.
February 15 2006, 18:01:49 UTC 6 years ago
I immediately cringe at the sight of one of these topics because of this tendency. In "marriage equality" discussions, for instance, there's this game where we pretend that all things are equal between men and women and being heterosexual is THE defining "privilege" for all individuals. And yet, although it's all supposed to be "equal," I see a lot more mud and guilt slung at straight women for their "het privilege" than I ever do see flung at straight men--who tend to define the terms for the debate in the first place. The men do a very handy job of keeping the focus on terrible, awful, greedy straight women who gobble up all that "privilege" without so much as a second's thought for their poor gay brethren (male-centric language used purposefully, here.) And women, being socialized as we have been, tend to just knuckle right under and eat this crap up, yes, yes, we're bad, we're terrible, I'm sorry, I feel so guilty, what can I do? And so the focus is off of the men and we get to gloss over the fact that "het privilege" is something men stand to gain a hell of a lot more from than women do, and for women "marriage privilege" can include such joys as juries not believing you can be raped (regardless of what the letter of the law reads now), loss of the property you worked hard for if he decides to divorce you in middle age, the chance of losing your children if you sue for divorce after being beaten to a pulp, and a lovely "second shift" and perhaps a third, depending on who you're married to. All of this is mere piddling, whiny detail, apparently, compared to being able to collect each other's pensions and social security checks.
And while we're talking about money, let's talk about class. I'm glad you went there in your post because it's a subject that usually gets ignored in these discussions. The "marriage equality debate," as framed by male liberals and conservatives, completely ignores the differing reasons people choose to marry or wish to marry based on class and the completely inequitable dividends it pays to people of various income levels. Poor or working class people are most likely to need marriage to provide them with the barest human essentials, such as health coverage and social security benefits in case of the death of one of the partners so they won't spend their old age on the street. Upper class and wealthy people actually stand to gain or lose much more, often depending on their gender, through the strategic combining of assets or loss thereof in a divorce. Middle class people are somewhere in between, gaining just enough that it's worth the extra tax. Most of the discussions fixate on people who fall towards the upper end of "middle," stressing things like inheritance and pensions (most Walmart workers don't have either of those things) and how unfair it is to be taxed on your partner's DP benefits. It says nothing about people who are too poor to even have DP benefits and what should become of them. But as you said, a diversion into healthcare could go on for days.
I think I'm nearing the limit for comment length, continued below...
February 15 2006, 18:16:22 UTC 6 years ago
This discussion so quickly spirals into a set of invisible "givens" based solely on male privilege, I have found, that all thought of questioning the premises is quickly banished to a taboo corner. How dare a woman deny a man the right to have a baby all his own just because he happens to be gay??? How dare she!! She must be a homophobe, regardless of any protestations to the contrary. Feminism is a taboo subject, by this point in the discussion. It is taken for granted that all is equal between the sexes. Women have the right to choose childbearing, men also have that right. Right? What, you say men's bodies are a bit different so it doesn't quite divide that neatly? You're obviously a bigot, shut up!
So here we see the ultimate conclusion of marriage, as an institution, and the ultimate "QED" of how it will always benefit men more. Marriage is not about love or even money, it is about what women "owe" men--our loyalty, our labor, access to our bodies, access to our childbearing capacities--on THEIR terms, not ours, and regardless of our own sexual orientation or theirs. It's about what they feel entitled to take, from us and from society at large.
OK I think I'm done for now. :p
February 15 2006, 18:23:32 UTC 6 years ago
February 15 2006, 19:04:21 UTC 6 years ago
(uh-oh, this is starting to feel like this)
(more when I can, in a bit)
February 16 2006, 02:43:00 UTC 6 years ago
Trivial, but there was an episode of Six Feet Under about that — where one gay male character felt uncomfortable about "renting out some woman's uterus like it's a storage locker" so he and his partner could have "their own" kids, and his partner sulkily said "You just think you don't deserve to have what everyone else has." (A woman's body dedicated to serving your personal reproductive desires? No shit you don't deserve it.)
I am, sadly, wary of histories and theories of sexuality by gay men because too many gay male theorists seem to subscribe to a male-centric libertarian theory that positions women as the agents of sexual repression.
February 16 2006, 02:50:24 UTC 6 years ago
oh, also
While I think of it, why is the "women trap unwilling men into marriage" story so pervasive?There's MRA literature that complains about the horrible, unjust "sex monopoly" wives impose on husbands — and yet those men still, somehow, choose to marry. I find this inexplicable.
February 16 2006, 16:30:02 UTC 6 years ago
Re: oh, also
yes! because it is! [inexplicable]I mean, really, stereotypes about cows and free milk aside, it is just not that difficult for a man to find a woman who will fuck him.
Now, if he wants to be able to dictate every last term of a relationship, yes, it's getting a little more difficult to do that, poor babies.
But even if a man 'needs' sex (and none of them do, but I'll play), he does not 'need' to get married, so a woman certainly doesn't have the power to MAKE him do so, or even trick or trap him into doing so. Erego, men get married because of a perception that it will benefit them. Are they wrong? No, and all the MRA whining in the world doesn't actually turn them into deceived victims abused by feminism and/or the institution of marriage.
(and really, how paranoid do you have to BE to think feminism and marriage are conspiring TOGETHER against you? It's as nutty as "first amendment absolutist" types who peep through keyholes because they really think feminists spend their Saturday nights feeding drinks to Falwell in order to get him to lead a legislative fight against Freedom [for men]. Cuckoo!)
February 16 2006, 18:10:56 UTC 6 years ago
And yeah, "what everyone [read every man] has [is entitled to]"--a brood mare of his very own. How lovely.
February 16 2006, 18:35:15 UTC 6 years ago
I don't actually have a problem with the idea that totally withholding sexual affection from one's partner is hard on a relationship — and it can be done extremely cruelly — but sometimes Savage seems to take that to the point of "if you don't do exactly what your partner wants, he'll cheat on you and it'll be your fault." Bullshit.
February 16 2006, 19:26:16 UTC 6 years ago
publicity accessorykid--and now what more does he need but glowing, slobbering adoration from a few select women who think being verbally abused by a gay man is chic? Straight men LOVE his advice because Savage isn't even vaguely concerned with "saving face" with the ladies, he hates us and he isn't ashamed to show it because he has nothing to lose in being as abusive to women as possible.February 16 2006, 17:19:23 UTC 6 years ago
It's the patriarchy, stupid.
I think the way we concentrate on the problem rather than calling women stupid is by DOING it, and I agree that so far so good on that front. So we just keep it up, you know?That said, it's a reductive reply to your question. Because it IS scary to talk about this stuff. It IS cringe-worthy. Because the tendency in these conversations is for every woman who reads them to feel implicated in one way or another, feeling that the pigeonhole-specific defense she's constructed against the [very real] attacks being launched against her are being taken away. And we wait for the other shoe to drop. We learn to wait to encounter "evidence" that we're stupid for letting down our guards, that once again we're ridiculously naive for daring to walk around in the world presuming we should not be attacked for our existence.
So. I think your posts are excellent and do what they should. And I'm liking this conversation.
About class, yes. Although the marry/not-to-marry debate is not unidirectional, with marriage uniformly benefiting the poor and opening the wealthy up to risk. Low-income Americans often do NOT marry because of poverty-related concerns, as they're less likely to receive private (perceived as "merit-based") benefits like job-related health insurance, and are more likely to rely upon public ("need-based") benefits which may be reduced/removed if a spouse's income--to which they may or may not have access--is figured into the equation. And the rich still DO often marry for wealth-related reasons such as the direct fiscal value of a certain level of Traditional Respectability and the strength and stability that projects within certain business and social circles, and/or the longstanding tradition of the power-family merger marriage.
February 16 2006, 20:28:46 UTC 6 years ago
Re: It's the patriarchy, stupid.
I think one of the most overlooked scenarios when talking about marriage and money is *men* who marry for money. Everyone knows about women who do this, or they "know" about them at least. But men who do the same are a lot more common than one would think, really, and often, because they're men, they come out of the deal with a lot more status and money and zero stigma, compared to women who do the same. I think Bill Clinton falls into this category, doesn't he? At any rate, I know of a couple like this in real life, where the woman came "from money" (and status, bigtime) and the guy was a bright but poor social climber. He wooed her on completely dishonest grounds and ended up building something of a fortune on her parents' wealth and generousity, and now he's done the "midlife crisis" routine on her and she's up a creek, thanks to the divorce laws in her state that say everything has to go 50/50 (the money he used to build on was not an inheritance, but gifts to someone they thought of as a loyal son in law, also his wife's labor of course.) He, OTOH, gets to stay rich forever now, and have his new young mistress and his "lifestyle," without ANYONE daring to say "golddigger" or worse in his presence. I think it plays out like this a lot more often than one would think from the media stereotypes.Talking about Dan Savage above reminded me, I seem to remember seeing some pretty vicious male-authored, female-targeted attacks (including some misogynist cartoons) in the course of the "marriage equality debates" not long ago, I will have to see if I can dig up links to provide more fodder for discussion.
February 18 2006, 05:08:52 UTC 6 years ago
Re: It's the patriarchy, stupid.
Hmm, there's this one, for starters...February 18 2006, 05:13:29 UTC 6 years ago
Re: It's the patriarchy, stupid.
ew, that's perfect. Exactly the kind of thing I remember seeing.